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Hey, I don't think that's fair. And the reason I asked both Aaron and Susan is that they are probably among the most knowledgeable journalists in Canada about the inner workings of the Liberals. They have both spent a lot of time interviewing Trudeau and so have insights about him that others do not.

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Yea, I stopped listening after a while. It’s one thing to like Trudeau, it’s another to give him a tonguebath.

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I'm sorry you feel that way, the point of this episode was to look at Trudeau's leadership of the party and how that has shifted over the last 10 years, rather than a critical assessment of his time as PM. I think it's interesting to get into how the party's organization, strategy, electoral coalition looks today vs. pre-2013.

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